qvyanaSi momdinare politikur procesebze
gvesaubreba axalgazrduli organizacia ,,Tavisufali Taobis’’erT-erTi damfuZnebeli
Llado sadRobelaSvili.
-lado, ra aris
Tqveni organizaciis mizani?
-Cveni organizacia sami Tvea rac Seiqmna da Cveni mizania Cveni poziciis
dafiqsireba qveyanaSi mimdinare procesebis mimarT. unda giTxraT, rom bolo sami
weliwadi emigraciaSi vimyofebodi da roca
Camovedi gadavwyvite aRniSnuli organizaciis daarseba, radgan me da Cems
megobrebs gagviCnda protesti usamarTlobis winaaRmdeg, mimdinare prosesis da im
arasamTavrobo organizaciebis mimarT, romelTac xma ara aqvT amosaRebi. Cven vakvirdebodiT
sxvadasxva arasamTavrobo struqturebis saqmianobas, mas Semdeg rac biZina
ivniSvils mTavroba movida saTaveSi, Zalian gaaqtiurdnen e.w. nac-arasamTavroboebi.
nacionalebis xelSewyobiT Seiqmna magaliTad: Tavisufali zona, pikasos klubi,
droni samarTliani Taoba da a.S.. maT ase imitom movixsenieb, rom isini
finansdebian nacionaluri orgaanizaciidan. Ggasakviria, rogor unda iRebdes is
politikuri Zala xmas, romelic 9 weliwadi saaTaveSi iyo da qveyana ,amoatriala’’
da waiyvana sxva mimarTulebiT, Aaxla kiGgamodian patriotuli lozungebiT da
TavianT azrebs gvavxveven Tavd... maTi Semxedvare Camogviyalibda azri, Segveqmna
Cveni organizacia ,,Tavisufali Taoba’’, sadac gawevrianebulia sakmaod aqtiuri
axalgazrdebi.
-rogor SeafasebT 15 noembrs gamarTul aqcias?
- dRes, demokratiaa da yvelas aqvs aqciis
gamarTvis ufleba, maT Soris nacionalur moZraobasac.. Tumca, Tu isini
sistematurad aqciis gamarTvas daiwyeben, maSin, Cvenc gavmarTavT maT
sawinaaRmdego aqcias. simarTle rom giTxraT, aqciaze xalxis ufro met raodenobas
velodi. Tumca, Cven miviReT saxeze Zalian dabali maCvenebeli. SeiZleba amaze
xmamaRla aravin ar saubrobs, magram Cven
xom viciT, rom aqciis momawileebi daafinanses, magram sainteresoa visi jibidan?
Nnacionalebma,Aaqcia iseTi lozungiT Caatares, rom iq milioni adamiani unda
mosuliyo. sinamdvileSi ki, aqciaze iyo 7- danE 8-aTasamde adamiani iyo. es iyo
tipiuri partiuli Sekreba anu nac-Sekreba da amas araferi ar hqonda saerTo
okupaciasTan da anti-okupaciur qmedebebTan.
Nparadoqsia, magram faqtia nacionalebi gamodian
da aprotesteben Zaladobas, agresias, okupacias, maSin roca wlebis ganmavlobaSi
Tavad usamarTlobas Cadiodnen. TiTqos ar axsovT, rom swored maTma ,,beladma’’ saakaSvilma
langriT miarTva okupants kodori da samaCablo.
garkveuli
arasamTavrobo organizaciebi, romlebsac afinansebs nacionaluri moZraoba,
cdiloben raRac Temebis wamowevas da amiT manipulirebas. Seiqmna darkvuli jgufi
qalbatonebis, romlebic gaiZsxian: ,,ara Zladobas’’. Ees keTdeba imisTvis, rom
Seqmnan garemo da televiziis saSualebiT piari
aagoron, raTa Semdeg, ucxoeTidan moipovon grantebi. amitom amaxvileben
yuradRebas seqsualuri umciresobebis uflebebis dacvasa da religiur sakiTxzec. iciT, ratom Caatares qalTa Zaladonis
winaaRmdeg aqcia? imitom, rom ,,daartyan’’ Sinagan saqmeTa samisistros da mTavrobas, rom Turme Zalovani uwyebebi
saTanadod, ver muSaoben da ver uzrunvelyofen prevenciul zomebs - Zaladobis
winaaRmdeg. saqarTveloSi, ojaxSi Zaaladobis faqtebi yovelTvis iyo.
aseTi aqciebi imitom
imarTeba, rom sociumi amuSavdes mTavrobis winaaRmdeg. Cven vxedavT, rom
dRevandeli xelisufleba cud qmedebebs ar Cadis, teritoriebs ar kargavs, quCaSi
biWebs ar klavs, jandacvis sferoSi garkveuli warmatebebia, amitom, axala aseTi ,,TiTidan
gamowovili’’ Temebi wamoswies. Ggvaqvs informacia, rom is arasamTavrobo
organizaciebi, romlebis TanamSromloben nacionalur organizacibTan isev apireben
aqciebis talRis agorebas ,,lgpt’’ organiizaciidan, mas ,,inkluzivi’’ ewodeba da
xelmZRvanelobs irakli vaWaraZe, romelic
aris nacionali da bokeria- CorgoleiSvilis aRzrdili. erTi ram faqtia, sanam
iarsebes nacionalebi da maT mier
dafinansebuli organizaciebi, qveyanaSi stabiluroba ar iqneba.
-Tqveni azriT, rogor
mimdinareobs qveyanaSi samarTlianobis aRdgenis procesi?
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-mimaCnia, rom qveyanaSi samarTlianobis aRdgenis procesi SeCerda da
gadaido samomavlod da ar vici ratom?... samarTlianobis aRsadgenad, mxolod baCo
axalaias, vano merabiSvilis da gigi ugulavas daWera ar aris sakmarisi. Eeseni
arian didi kriminaluri band-formirebis mxolod nawili, magram ,,bosebi’’ jer
kidev Tavisuflad daparpaSeben ucxoeTis sxvadasxva qveynebSi... wina reJimis mTavari damnaSaveebi: mixeil
saakaSvili, zurab adeiSvili da daTa axalaiaa, romlebic Tavs afareben ucxo
qveynebs. daTo axalais saberZneTma misca TavSesafari. faqtia, rom Cveni
saagarro saqmeTa saministro da prokuratura saTanadod ar muSaobda, raTa ver
CamoyavdaT es adamiani. MmimaCnia, rom samarTlianobis aRdgenis procesi unda
gagrZeldes da damnaSaveebi unda daisajon. saerTod, moRalateebis TareSi unda
damTavrdes da Tu xelisufleba ar daamTavrebs maT TviTnebobas, maSin qarTuli
sazogadoebis Rirseuli nawili iZulebuli gaxdeba Tavad aRasrulos samarTali da qveynis
moRalateebis Tavisi adgili miuCinos.
-Tqven mixeil sakaSvilis საპრეზიდენტო ბიბლიოთეკისათვის სახელის გადარქმევას ითხოვს, ratom?
-,,nacionalebis meore buded’’ wodebuli saakaSvilis biblioTeka gvidgas
aq qalaqis centrSi da saerTod, sakiTxavia ra datvirTvas atarebs? sinamdvileSi
es biblioTeka aris, kidev erTi, ,,nacionalebis’’ ofisi da bibloTekis
,,mantia’’aqvs mosxmuli. Ees aris nacebis ,,bude’’. Kkriminali prezidentis,
diqtatoris saxelobis biblioTeka rogor avitano, roca biblioTeka CemTvis
ganaTlebastan da siwmindesTan asocirdeba.
-me rogorc erT-erTi rigiTi moqalaqe, vTvli, rom aucilebelia
yvelanairi gziT, rogorme aRdges urTierToba afxaz da qarTvel xalxs Soris.
CemTvis cnobilia informacia, rom afxazeTSi Catarda saprotesto aqcia ruseTTan samokavSireo
xelSekrulebis xelmoweris winaarmdeg. Aafxazebs ar undaT ruseTis federaciaSi
Sesvla.Aes rom moxdes, maSin wertili dasemeba yvelafers da or qveyanas Soris
keTilmezoblur damokidebulebaze saubaric zedmetia. saerTod, Cvenma xelisuflebam
yvelanairad unda ecados da SeaCeros es procesi da gaxsnas mimosvla afxaz da
qarTvrl xalxs Soris.
-kvicianis dapatimrebasTan
dakavSirebiT ras gvetyodiT?
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- ra Tqma unda, yofili maRalCinosnebis sasjelis fonze emzar
kvicianisTvis misjili 12 weli usamarTlobaa. CemTvis, rogorc rigiTi adamianisTvis uxerxulia
merabiSvils da axalaias gacilebiT nklebi
qondes misjili da emzar kvicians 12 weli? me ar vicnob saqmis masalebs,
magram aseT gadawyvetilebas vabraleb sasamarTlos mier arasworad gamotanil
ganaCens. aq provokaciis mcdelobas aqvs adgilo.Ees ar aris axlandeli mTavrobis
pozicia. Ffaqtia, rom kote kublaSvilis xeldasmulma, rigiTma mosamarTlem
gamoitana aseTi ganaCeni.samwuxarod, sasamarTlo jer kidev nacionalebis xelSia. kublaSvils
roca gadairCeven ai, maSin unda velodoT samarTlian gadawyvetilebas da
samarTlianobis aRdgenas.
Mmzia gogoZe
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