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 Mmolodinsa da realobas Soris didi sxvaobaa

  saqarTveloSi mimdinare  politikur procesebze da sxva mniSvnelovan sakiTxebze gvesaubreba  eqsperti soso cincaZe.

-Bbatono soso, rogor SeafasebT  qveyanaSi mimdinare bolo droindel movlenebs?

 -garegnuli stabiluroba, rac dRevandel Cven politikur kurs axasiaTebs, sulac ar niSnaqvs imas, rom xelisuflebis SigniT aris erTsulovneba - yvela sakiTxSi da koalicia aris mtkice, erT muStad Sekruli. Mmetic, koalicia ukve karga xania ,,xelovnur sinTqvazea’’ gadayvanili, maT wevrebSi Semavali partiebi da euli, TiTo-orola politikosebi, TavianTi faseulobebiT da RirebulebebiT mkveTrad gansxvavdebian erTmaneTisagan. Uukve ikveTeba winaaRmdegoba xelisuflebis Stoebs Soris, rac yvelaze cudia iseTi saxelmwifosTvis rogoric saqarTveloa –arSemdgari da aramyari demokratiiT. aseTi azrTa sxvaoba Tu iqneba sxva qveynebSi  saxelisuflebo Stoebs Soris, magaliTad, StatebSi, evropaSi da a.S iq  es aranair safrTxes ar warmoadgens. Mmagram, CvnTan sadac politikuri kultura, jer kidev, Canasaxovan mdgomareobaSia da yovelgvari uTanxmoeba gadadis piradul simpatia antipatiebze, rac stabilur xasiaTs Rebulobs. magaliTad, Tu ori politikosi erT konkretul sakiTxSi ver Tanxmdebian, es ar aris tragedia, radgan xval Tu zeg icvleba garemo da maT gamonaxes saerTo ena, magram es Tu gadava pirad simpatia antipatiaSi, es ukve xangrZliv perspeqtivaze moqmedebs. prezidentisa da mTavrobis uTanxmoeba, gaurkveveli  saxelisuflebo TamaSi, damoukidebeli politikuri xelwera Tavdacvis ministris irakli alasanias mxridan, A ramdenime ministries aSkarad uniaTo xelmZRvaneloba, romlebic mxolod imitom rCebian dRes TavianT postebze, rom maT zurgs ukan sxva politikuri Zala dgas, mxedvelobaSi maqvs ganaTlebis ministri da sagareo saqmeTa ministri. Ees ukanaskneli rom ar iyos alasanias partiis wevri da misi axlo naTesavi, mas am Tanamdebobaze aravin ar gaaCerebda. aseve, SemiZlia vTqva ganaTlebis ministrze, am Tanamdebobas mecnieri unda xelmZRvanelobdes, es aris aqsioma, iseve rogorc jandacvis saministros eqimi unda xelmZRvanelobdes. sxva qveyanaSi SeiZleba ase ar iyos, magram CvenTan sxva situaciaa, radgan ministri, rom modis, mohyavs Tavisi gundi, Tavisi samegobro-saZmakaco da a.S. da xSir SemTxvevaSi, ar xdeba TanamSromlebis profesionalebiT dakompleqteba. amitom,  saqarTveloSi ar SeiZleba saTavSi araprofesionali ijdes, radgan araprofesionals mohyavs diletanti.

-ra migaCniaT qarTuli ocnebis mTavar naklad?

- sakadro politikis arasworad warmarTva..  SeiZleba iTqvas, rom xelisufleba ukve tyvea Tavisi  sakadro politikis.. rodesac acxadeben, rom yvela ministri brwyinvalea da qveyanaSi yvelaferi kargad aris, Semdeg ukve Znelia ministrebis Secvla. mere ukve bunebrivad ibadeba kiTxva, Tu yvelaferi kargad aris, maSin ratom cvli?... aseve, arastabilurobis pirveli wyaro yvelgan da yovelTvis  aris socialuri foni. Mmolodinsa da realobas Soris arsebuli gansxvaveba aris arastabilurobis erT-erTi mTavari faqtori.  ruzveltma, jer kidev, gasuli saukunis 30-ian wlebSi amerikaSi daadgina, rom  rodesc xalxi elodeba raRacas da molodinsa da realobas Soris didi sxvaobaa, iq ukve Sida politikuri stabiluroba gamoricxulia, dRiTidRe Rvivis ukmayofileba da elodeba raRac moments, rom zedapirze amovides. qarTuli ocnebis bevri dapireba, ra Tqma unda, gazviadebuli iyo. magaliTad, daujerebeli iyo komunaluri gadasaxadebis ganaxevreba, magram obivatelma es mainc daijera da maT imedi gaucruvdaT. dRiTidRe yvelaferi Zvirdeba... sayovelTao dazRveva ki kargia, magram xalxs wamlebis SeZenis mxriv ara aqvT SeRavaTi da  dazRveva  mTlianad arc samedicino momsaxureobas uzrunvelyofs, im nawilis gadaxdis saSualebac ara aqvs mosaxleobas.

-rac Seexeba samarTlianobis aRdgenas, am mxriv ra mdgomareobaa?

 -saerTod, Zalian cudia, roca winasaarCevno programebze da dapirebebze  ewyoba qveynis politika, aseTi ram evropaSi da amerikaSi ar xdeba. yvelgan aris erTi winasaarCevno dapireba da mere nelnela is elastiurad koreqtirdeba da ara uceb... samarTlianobis aRdgena Tavidanve airia meore mcnebaSi anu marTlmsajulebis aRsrulebaSi. is, rom damnaSave unda ijdes cixeSi, es aris ara samarTlianobis aRdgena, aramed marTlmsajulebis aRsruleba. MmTavari usamarTloba wina xelisuflebebis dros iyo is, rom erTma ukanono gziT miliionebi iSova, xolo meore mSieri iyo. Tu is milioneri daiWires es aris marTlmsajulebis aRdgena..  pirvel rigSi, qveyanaSi socialuri samarTlianoba unda aRdges. roca maRalCinosani 80 aTasian premiebs iRebs da profesorebi kapikebs iReben , es aris samarTlianoba? samarTlianoba aris kanonis winaSe yvelas Tanasworoba, rac gulisxmobs imas, rom  yvelas Sroma, saxelmwifo sargeblianobis ekvivalentobis gaTvaliswinebiT anazRaurdes. magaliTad, arcerT qveyanaSi ar daijerebs aravin, rom soflis skolis maswavlebeli, romelsac pirovnebis formirebaSi didi wvlili miuZRvis, Zalian dabal anazRaurebas iRebs. CerCili Tavis memuarebSi werda: ,,me sul mSurda skolis maswavleblis, radgan mas Cemze meti uflebebi da gavlena hqondao’’.. saerTod, yveela qveyanaSi peragogi Zalian dafasebulia da maT Sesabamisi anazRaureba aqvT, CvenTan ki, ase ar aris da romel samarTlianobis aRdgenazea saubari?

-batono soso, aris Tu ara qveyanaSi areulobis mcdeloba?

-SeiZleba iyos amis survili, magram mcdelobas Tavisi potencia sWirdeba. dRes, nacionalebSi ver vxeedav im potencials, rom maT SeeZloT areulobis gamowveva. opoziciis eSxi imaSia, rom mSvidi Zilis saSualeba ar unda misces xelisuflebas. Tumca, kritika aravis ar siamovnebs da Rebuloben mas, rogorc piraduls. Mme Tu mkiTxav, jobia mTavroba Tundac usamarTlod akritiko, vidre Tvali daxuWo mis naklovanebebze. saerTod, wina xelisuflebis nebismieri danaSauli  Tu Secdoma ar SeiZleba axali mTavrobis induligencia iyos. Nnacionalebi rom cudebi iyvnen, imitomac arian dRes opoziciaSi. Yyvelam Tavis Secdomebze unda agos pasuxi..

-ruseT-saqarTvelos urTierTobebze ras gvetyviT?

 -madloba RmerTs, rom garTa safrTxe dRes naklebad gvaqvs. ruseTi ar aris dRes iseT ,,formaSi’’, rom axali provokacia wamoiwyos. dRes, mTeli yuradReba gadasulia ukrainisken da sulac ar awyobs axali dapirispireba saqarTvelosTan. magaliTad, moldovasa da ukrainas sul sxva pirobebs uyenebs asocirebis xelSekrulebis gaformebasTan dakavSirebiT, saqarTvelosTan mimarTebaSi ki, TavSekavbulia.  minskSi sng-s samitze, putinma pirdapir uTxra  moldoveTis prezidents, rom evropaSi Tqveni asocireba, CvenTvis ar aRmoCndes sazianoo, Tu arada uaress moelodeTo. saqarTvelos ki, aseT tonSi ar elaparakeba.. me vfiqrob, rom ruseT-saqarTvelos urTierToba, SedarebiT daTba. erTi ram cxadia, Cven Tu gvsurs urTierTobis normalizacia, maSin ukve abaSiZe – karasinis formatma amowura Tavisi resursi. Uisini sam TveSi erTxel Sexvdebian erTmaneTs da raRacaze Tanxmdebian da ase grZeldeba... ase gagrZelebas azri aRar aqvs, unda iyos srulformatiani molaparakeba ruseTTan. P paata zaqareiSvilis uwyebam , teritoriebis dabrunebis naTeli strategia unda dagvidos, Tundac grZelvadiani. magaliTad, roca safrangeTma 1811 wels dakarga elzasi da loTaringia , maSin iq SeimuSaves strategia, romelic 50 weli muSaobda. EaRniSnuli strategia gulisxmobda imas, rom moeZebna iseTi mokavSireebi, romlebic iomebda safrangeTisTvis da omiT dabruneba dakarguli teritoriebis. Cven ki, ra strategia gvaqvs ver gavige. politikosi, roca ambobs, rom teritoriebis dabrunebas Zalian didi dro unda, es imas niSnavs, rom man ukve ,,xelebi daibana’’ am problemis gadaWrisagan. magaliTad, roca premieri an romelime ministri gveubneba, rom umuSevrobis aRmofxvras did dro sWirdeba,  gamodis, rom is am problemas ver moagvarebs. Ees aris arsebuli problemis gadabareba sxvaze, asea teritoriuli mTlianobis aRdgnasTan dakavSirebiTac. ruseTTan urTierTobis  aRdgena dRes aris aucilebeli. Cven kargad davinaxeT, rom bolo 10 wlis ganmavlobaSi, verc erTi bazari ver aviTviseT. saqarTvelos erTaderTi saerTaSoriso bazaria ruseTSi, Cven ara gvaqvs iseTi produqcia, rom evropaSi gavitanoT. magaliTad, iaponelebs, romlebsac kuriliis kunZulebi da saxalini aqvT dakarguli, ruseTTan mainc inarCunebs diplomatiur da savaWro urTierTobas. Tumca, iaponia  ruseTs Tavis teritoriebs mainc ar dauTmobs. Cven iaponelebze Wkvianebi varT? igi amerikis strategiuli partnioria.  arsebobs natos arawevri ori qveyana, romlisTvisac amerika iomebs eseni arian: iaponia da israeli. CvenTvis ki, amerika ar iomebs da arc ukrainisTvis.

-amas winaT, yofilma premier minstrma, biZina ivaniSvilma daxuruli Sexvedra gamarTa JurnalistebTan, Tqven Tu gaqvsT informacia amis Sesaxeb?

- amis Sesaxeb araferi vici, magram aseTi daxuruli Sexvedrebi yovelTvis eWvs iwvevs. ratom Sexvda, maT ,,instruqtaJi’’ Cautara? magaliTad, saidumlo Sexvedrebs mwerlebTan, hitleri da stalini atarebdnen, romlebic miTiTebebs aZlevdnen  maT, Tu ra Temaze daeweraT.  Ffaqtia, rom  biZina ivaniSvilma, ,pirveli Sexvedridan ver gamonaxa toni da saerTo ena qarTul mediasTan da eqspertebTan...

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