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   maRalCinosanTa sasamarTllo procesebze da sxva mniSvnelovan sakiTxebze gvesaubreba  axalgazrda iuristTa asociaciis Tavjdomare  kaxa koJoriZe

  - maRalCinosanTa sasamarTlo procesebi aris iseTi Tema, romelsac detaluri Seswavla Wirdeba..saqarTvelosAaxalgazrda iuristTa asosciacias (saia-s) sisxlis samarTlebrivi saqmis Seswavlis da sakuTari poziciis dafiqsirebis didi xnis praqtika aqvs.  Cvens organizacias, 2011 da 2012 wlebSi  hqonda kvlevebi, savaraudod, politikuri motivebiT dapatimrebul pirebTan dakavSirebiT, magram manam, sanam Cveni iuristebi daskvnas gaakeTebdnen (ama Tu im konkretuli piris saqme, SeiZleba politikuri motivebiT yofiliyo ganpirobebuli), Cven Tveebis ganmavlobaSi, vswavlobdiT masalebs da mxolod, amis Semdeg vaZlevdiT Tavs uflebas garkveul  daskvnamde mivsuliyaviT. aRniSnul sakiTxTan dakavSirebiT, saia-s manamdeli da axlandeli poziciebi  ar aris kategoriuli, Cven ar vambobT, rom romelime konkretuli piri aris politikutri patimari, aramed gamovTqvamT mxolod varauds. saerTod, kategoriuli  poziciebis dafiqsirebis mandati Cven ar gvaqvs. rogorc ukve aRvniSne, yvela saqmes arsobrivi Sefaseba da saqmis srulyofili Seswavla Wirdeba.Y marTali giTxraT, yofili maRali Tanamdebobis pirebis yvela saqme, namdvilad ar gvaqvs Seswavlili da Sesabamisad, mTliani suraTis daxatva am kuTxiT, Cveni mxridan SeuZlebelia. Tumca, aris saqmeebi romelzec Cven gvaqvs Cveni pozicia dafiqsirebuli da amas mokleT mogaxsenebT.

magaliTad, gigi ugulavas saqmesTan dakavSirebiT.. rogorc cnobilia, ugulavas ramdenime braldeba aqvs wayenebuli da sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebebi Tu prokuraturis poziciebi garkveul kiTxvebs badebs. erT-erT  saqmeze, 2013 wlis dasawyisSi, rodesac prokuraturam aRmkveTi RonisZiebis saxiT moiTxova patimrobis gamoyeneba, sasamarTlom is ar daakmayofila anu arc patimroba, an sxva saxis aRmkveTi RonisZieba ar gamoiyena da maSin,  gaCnda eWvi imisa, rom xom ar aris sasamarTlo loialuri yofili maRali Tanamdebobis saaqmeebTan dakavSirebiT?

- axalgazrda iuristTa asociacia sasamarTlo monitoringis kvlevas Tu awarmoebs ?

 -Cveni organizacia, yovel 6 TveSi atarebs sasamarTlo monitoringis kvlevas, Tumca, es ar exeba mxolod maRali Tanamdebobis pirebis saqmeebs, CvenTan zogadad SemTxveviTi SerCevis principiT xdeba saqmeebis arCeva. Tavdapirvelma kvlevam, garadamaval etapze - 2012-2013 wels, aseTi suraTi warmoaCina: sasamarTlo, yofil maRalCinosanTa saqmeebis mimarT, ufro met loialurobas iCenda, vidre rigiTi moqalaqeebis mimarT. magaliTad, gigi ugulavas mimarT gamotanili iyo uprecendento gadawyvetileba, roca sasamarTlom mas arcerTi aRmkveTi RonisZieba ar Seufarda. Cveni kvlevebi, 2012 wlis arCevnebamde, aCvenebda im realobas, rom prokuraturis yvela Suamdgomlob,a es exeboda goraos, patimrobas da a.S. zustad ise sruldeboda, rogorc amas prokuratura iTxovda. saia-s kvlevebis Sedegad, ar gamovlenila arcerTi SemTxveva, rom sasamarTlos  mieRos prokuraturis moTxovnisa da Suamdgomlobisagan gansxvavebuli ganCineba... es cxadia, didi problema iyo...

 - ramdenad Tanmimdevruli iyo prokuratura da sasamarTlo gigi ugulavasaTan dakavSirebiT?

 -gigi ugulavas saqmes rac Seexeba, gamoZiebis procesSi da Semdeg, sasamarTlos moqmedebebSi, ukve sapirispiro  mxridan gaCnda eWvebi. manmade Tu vfiqrobdiT, rom sasamarTlo loialurobas iCenda, mere, ukve gaCnda kiTxvebi misi Tanamdebobidan gadayenebasTan dakavSirebiT. Bbundovan situaciaSi miRebuli gadawyvetileba, ra Tqma unda, gviCens kiTxveb, Tu ramdenad obieqturi iyo sasamarTlo? xom ar arsebobda zewolis faqtebi? sakonstitucio sasamarTlom gaauqma is norma, riTac ugulava Tanamdebobidan  gadaayenes, Semdeg man mimarTa  sasamarTlos - Tanamdebobaze aRdgenasTan dakavSirebiT, sadac warmoCinda sasamarTlos midgomis xarvezianoba.

 -sasamarTlos xarvezebi, konkretulad, raSi gamoixateboda?

  - Cveni SefasebiT, prokuratura  da sasamarTloc xelovnurad cdilobda saqmis ganxilvis gaWianurebas, raTa gigi ugulava Tanamdebobaze ar dabrunebuliyo - 2014 wlis adgilobrivi TviTmarTvelobis arCevnebamde.  magaliTad, ramdenime procesze aseTi SemTxveva moxda, roca prokurorebi yvela erTdoulad wavidnen baTumSi (saproceso zedamxedvelobis gansaxoecieleblad) da iTxoves saqmis ganxilvis gadadeba... Seiqmna STabeWdileba, rom es yvelaferi xelovnurad xdeboda, raSic sasamarTloc monawileobda. Aam ukanasknels SeeZlo, rom sapatiod ar CaeTvala prokuraturis Suamdgomloba -  saqmis ganxilvis gadadebasTan dakavSirebiT da maTi monawileobis gareSe  CaetarebinaT sasamarTlo procesi, rac sasamarTlom ar gaakeTa. Aase rom, kiTxvebi ramdenad Tanmimdevruli iyo prokuratura da sasamarTlo gigi ugulavasaTan dakavSirebiT arsebobs.

A  aseve, Sevexebi baCo axalaias saqmes.. aqac erTis mxriv, problemuri iyo is, rom roca sasamarTlom  baCo axalaias gamamytunebeli ganaCeni gamoutana, maSindelma prezidentma  igi ise Seiwyala, rom arc daeloda zemdgomi instanciebis gadawyvetilebebs..  ai, aqac gamoCnda subieqturi midgoma mixeil saakasvilis mxridan. Cveni SefasebiT, problemuria is sakiTxi, rom dRevandlamde  (Tu ar CavTliT im gamamtyunebel ganaCens, razec prezidents ukve Sewyalebis aqti aqvs miRebuli), gamamtynebeli ganaCeni baCo axalaiasTan mimarTebaSi, kanonier ZalaSi  Sesuli ar aris da is imyofeba winaswar patimrobaSi, roca erT saqmeze gadis vada, Semdeg sxva brals warudgens prokuratura da axlidan  ufardebes winaswar patimrobas.

   saqarTvelos konstituciiT gansazRvrulia winaswari patimrobis vada da igi unda iyos 9 Tveze meti, magram gavida vada...  praqtikaSi es ase ganisazRvreba: 9 Tve erT saqmeze  da prokuraturac am logikiT midis...Aamitom,  Cndeba eWvi, rom axali braldebebis wardgena xdeba imitom, rom  baCo axalaia patimrobidan ar gaTavisufldes.  roca samarTlebriv Sefasebazea saubari, CvenTvis  ara aqvs mniSvneloba konkretul gvarsa da  saxels. Aanu winaswari patimrobis xangrZlivi periodi baCo axalaiasTan dakavSirebiT, Cven problematurad migvaCnia. Tumca, formaluri TvalsazrisiT, kananTan winaaRmdegoba ar gvaqvs.

 -mixeil saakasvilis saqmeze ras gvetyodiT, ramdenad dasabuTebuli iyo mis mimarT winaswari patimrobis Sefardeba?

 -am da sxva saqmeebsac aqvs politikuri da samarTlebrivi Sefaseba. Cveni organizacia ki, mxolod  samarTlebriv Sefasebas  akeTebs. Tu ratom Tqva uari saqarTvelos yofilma prezidentma mowmis  saxiT, dakiTxvis procedurebSi monawileobis miRebaze, samarTlebrivi argumenti ar arsebobs. is valdebuli iyo, Tavis droze, pasuxi gaeca samarTaldamcavi  organoebisTvis, miTumetes maSin, rodesac prokuraturam SesTavaza distanciuri dakiTxva - skaipis meSveobiT. ratom Tqva man uari aseT SeTavazebaze, gaugebaria da  rogorc aRvniSne, amis Sesaxeb samarTlebrivi argumenti ar arsebobs, is valdebuli iyo Cveneba mieca . aseTi qmedebiT yofilma prezidentma saqarTvelos kanonmdebloba daarRvia.

  rac Seexeba aRmkveTi RonisZiebis saxiT mis mimarT patimrobis Sefardebas.. saia-s iuristi eswreboda im sasamarTlo process, rodesac saakaSvili patimrobis Sefardeba moxda... Cven gamoviTxoveT sasamarTlos  ganCineba da igi safuZvlianad SeviswavleT, ris Semdegac am saqmesTan dakavSirebiT gavakeTed Sefaseba. migvaCnia, rom prokuraturis pozicia da argumentebi, romelic Semdeg sasamarTlos mier iqna gaziarebuli, namdvilad ar iZleva imis Tqmis saSualebas, rom yofili prezidentis mimarT,  dausabuTebeli ganCineba iqna miRebuli winaswari patimrobis Sefardebis dros. Pprokuraturas hqonda ramdenime mniSvnelovani argumenti rac sasamarTlom Tavis gadawyvetilebaSi asaxa da mTlianobaSi, winaswari patimrobis Sefardeba dausabuTebeli ar yofila.

 -rogor fiqrobT, unda gamocxaddes Tu ara saerTaSoriso Zebna yofil prezidentze?

 -Cven ver getyviT  unda gamocxaddes Tu ara saakaSvilze, an adeiSvilze saerTaSoriso Zebna.. Tu rogor cxaddeba anu ra procedurebia gamocxadebis, amaze SemiZlia pasuxis gacema. rogorc ukve aRvniSne, Aaxalgazrda iuristTa asociacias SeuZlia, mxolod,Pprocedurebis  ganmarteba.

 -,,Cvil bavSvTa saqmeebi’’-ze  ra informacia gaqvT?  Ggavrcelda informacia, rom qarTvel bavSvebs  sazRvargareT aSvileben...

 -am saxiTxze mirCevnia im advokatma isaubros, vinc uSualod am sakiTxze muSaobda. Aamitom,Ddetalebs ver mogaxsenebT, magram  is informacia, rac CvenTvis iqna mowodebuli migvaniSnebda, rom am saqmeSi namdvilad iyo konkretuli mtkicebulebebi, romelic, savaraudod, miuTiTebda danaSaulis Cadenaze da Sesabamisad, samarTaldamcavi organoebis moqmedeba  visurvebdiT, rom ufro efeqturi yofiliyo aRniSnul saqmesTan dakavSirebiT.

 -premier ministrma rom usayvedura arasamTavrobo  organizaciebs da araobieqturobaSi dasdo maT brali, amasTan dakavSirebiT ra azris xarT?

 -es exeboda Cvens mier wamowyebul kampanias ,, es Sen gexeba’’ ... axalgazrda iuristTa asociaciis da Cveni partniori organizaciebis moTxovna iyo is, rom xelisuflebam, romelmac memkvidreobiT miiRo  didi problemebi -adamianis uflebebis sferoSi da maT Soris, ukanono mosmenebis da faruli TvalTvalis saxiT, valdebuli iyo am kuTxiT sistemuri reformebi ganexorcielebina. Msamwuxaroa, rom xelisufleba araTu gamovida aRniSnuli reformebis iniciatorad, aramed  avtorTa jgufis mier momzadebuli kanonproeqti, romelic sistemur reformas  isaxavda miznad ( Cvens kanonmdeblobaSi evropuli  standartebis danergvas, Tu rogor unda ganxoecielebuliyo faruli sagamoZiebo moqmedebebi), parlamentSi, Tveebis ganmavlobaSi daido Taroze da misi realuri ganxilva ar dawyebula, ris gamoc Cven gadavwyviteT, gvewarmoebina samoqalaqo kampania ,,es Sen gexeba’’ - farul mosmenebTan dakavSirebiT, raTa dagverwmunebina xeliusufleba, rom es kanonproeqti iyo misaRebi da am sistemuri reformebis gatareba iyo aucilebeli.  warmoudgenelia, Qqveyanam, romelmac memkvidreobiT 20 000 meti ukanono Canaweri miiRo da amis gamo, aravin ar dasaja. am danaSaulrbriv qmedebaSi albaT, samarTaldamcavi organoebidan aTeulobiT adamiani iyo CarTuli.Aam fonze, aRniSnuli kampaniis dawyeba absoluturad gamarTlebuli iyo da Cveni mTavari mizani iyo xelisuflebis darwmuneba imaSi, rom es iyo didi problema, romelic unda mogvarebuliyo. Tumca, Sedegad miviReT  premieris mxridan absoluturad daumsaxurebeli kritika, rac Zalian sawyenia. saxifaTo da ara sworia, roca maRali Taqnamdebobis piri sakuTar moqalaqeebs, faqtobrivad, Ralats abralebs.

 ,,mizanmimarTuli, ZirgamomTxreli saqmianoba qveynis interesebis sawinaaRmdegod’’- ai, aseTi sityvebi Tqva premier ministrma arasamTavroebis mimarT, aseT saqmianobas xom mxolod mteri da moRalate awarmoebs!.   SeiZleba viRacas raRaca SeeSalos, magram es mizanmimarTuli, ZirgamomTxreli saqmianoba ar iqneba! Cven yvelafers gacnobierebulad  da kanonis farglebSi vakeTebdiT da Tqma imisa, rom katastrofuli kanonproeqti da ZirgamomTxrel saqmianobas veweodiT cxadia, dasabuTebuli ar iyo.  premier ministrma es gancxadeba gaakeTa maSin, roca Cveni kanonproeqti, parlaments pirveli mosmeniT, ukve miRebuli  qonda. kanonproeqti moiwona aramarto sakanonmdeblo organom, aramed iusticiis ministrmac. sxvaTaSoris, Semdeg premierma aRniSna, rom gadaaWarba Tavis SefasebebSi da mixvda, rom araswori gancxadeba gaakeTa.

 -asocirebis xelSekrulebis Rirseba da nakli ra aris?

 -naklze namdvilad ar gvifiqria da  asocirebis xelSekrulebas mxolod, pozitiurad vafasebT. Ees aris xelSekruleba, romelic qveynis ganviTarebis umniSvnelovanes aspeqtebs exeba - ekonomikuri Tu adamianis uflebebis dacvis TvalsazrisiT. saxelmwifom  aiRo valdebuleba, raTa qveyanaSi arsebuli mdgomareoba aamaRlos, gazardos da miusadagos evropul standartebs. Aasocirebis xelSekruleba da dRis wesrigi, ukve gansazRvravs TiToeul mniSvnelovan  saqmes, Tu romelma saministrom ra Sedegi unda aCvenos, ra reforma unda gaataros, rac cxadia pozitiurad aisaxeba adamianis uflebebis dacvaze. cudia is, rom asocirebis xelSekrulebis Sesaxeb sazogadoeba naklebad aris informirebuli. Mmosaxleobam unda icodes, Tu ras niSnavs asocirebis xelSekruleba, ra Sedegebis momtania da  momavalSi, rogor gaumjobesdeba maTi cxovreba.

 -axal savizo politikaze ra აზრის ხართ?

-albaT, vizebis gacemis gamkacrebas gulisxmobT? Ees sakiTxic ukavSirdeba evrokavSirTan Cvens mier aRebul valdebulebas. qveyanaSi, mowesrigebuli unda iyos vizebis gacemis sakiTxi da igi, unda daregulirdes saTanadod. rig SemTxvevaSi, procedurebi an kanonmdeblobaa dasaxvewia. Cven ar vfiqrobT, rom ufro gamkacrebuli reJimi daarRvevs im adamianis uflebebs, visac saqarTvelosi Semosvlis survili aqvs..

 -rogor fiqrobT, ram gamoiwvia qveyanaSi kriminogenuli fonis gaaqtiureba?

 -Ees Zalian mniSvnelovani sakiTxia.  bolo dros,  samwuxarod, xSirad vismenT informacias, sxvadasxva  mZime danaSaulebebis Sesaxeb. aRniSnulTan dakavSirebiT, Sss-s aqvs  aseTi pozicia, rom kriminogenuli  viTareba ar mZimdeba da amis dasadastureblad mohyavs adrindeli da axlandeli statistika, romelsac erTmaneTs adarebs da aqedan gamomdinare akeTebs daskvnas. Cven meti informacia gtvWirdeba imisTvis, rom es davijeroT, pirvel rigSi unda vicodeT adre ra meTodiT awarmoebdnen  da axla rogor adgenen statistikas. Tu erTi da igive meTodologiaa, maSin Sedarebis saSualeba iqneba, magram Tu gansxvavebulia, an  yvela monacemi Setanili ar aris, aseT SemTxvevaSi statistika ar iqneba obieqturi. me ar maqvs mtkicebuleba da  saTanado safuZveli imisa, rom aRvniSno Sss sazogadoebas araswor statistikur monacemebs awvdis. arsebobs  argumentebi, rom wlebis manZilze,  msgavsi informacia ar Suqdeboda, magram sazogadoebisTvis es veraferi nugeSia. Aamdeni mkvleloba marTlac sagangaSo statistikaa da calsaxad, miuTiTebs xelisuflebis valdebulebaze.  Ffaqtia, rom danaSaulis prevenciis TvalsazrisiT gadamWreli zomebia misaRebi. erT garemoebas minda gausva xazi, profesionalizmi da kvalificiuri kadrebi nebismier sferoSia  saWiro. miTumetes, roca maRali Tanamdebobis piria, is kidev ufro metad profesionali unda iyos. Msamwuxarod, dRevandeli Sss ministri ar aris im kvalifikaciis da profesionalizmiT aRWurvili, romelsac me visurvebdi am Tanamdebobaze. WikaiZe SeiZleba iyos kargi adamiani, an kargi polociis muSaki, magram CemTvis am Tamamdebobaze misaRebi kandidati ar aris.  qveyanaSi, roca Sss-s ministreze mimdinareobs qiliki, es ra Tqma unda uaryofiTad aisaxeba mTlianad sistemaze.  Mministrs aqvs warmomadgenlobiTi uflebamosileba  is unda iyos saministros saxe da uwyebaSi yvelaze didi profesionali...

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