interviu arasaparlamento opoziciis Tbilisis merobis kandidatTan, partia
,,Tavisufali saqarTvelos’’ liderTan kaxa kukavasTan.
-batono kaxa, ra Sansebi gaqvT, rogorc kandidats adgilobriv arCevnebSi?
-Sedegebi saarCevno kampaniis
dros gamoCndeba... arCevnebi cocxali procesia, bevri sxvadasxva fatqori
TamaSobs sibieqtur Tu obieqtur rols, amitom winaswar, vfiqrob, saubari imaze, Tu ra iqneba, rogorc
zogierTi kandidati iZaxis xolme arCevnebis dros, pirvelive turSi movigeb da
a.S. Semdeg vxedavT, rom araswori prognozi gaakeTa. amitom, me vfiqrob, axla
baqiaobis dro ar aris... Cven
mobilizebulebi varT da gvinda, rom gavakeTod maqsimumi... Tu ra Sansebi gvaqvs gamarjvebis, es 15 ivniss
gamoCndeba.
- ra migaCniaT
TbilisisTvis prioritetad?
-Tbiliss bevri prioriteti
aqvs ra Tqma unda, radgan rom bolo 20 welia qalaqSi, praqtikulad, araferi ar
gakeTebula da sasikeTo Zvrebi ar yofila. Pprioritetebs gamovyofdi - ekologiuri
garemos dacvas.. dRes, Cven vsunTqavT Sxams da Cveni Svilebi daucvelia am
saSineli gamonabolqvisagan da samwuxarod, onkologiuri daavadebebisTvis mometebuli wyaroa Seqmnili. Aaqedan
gamomdinare, aucilebelia mkacri ekologiuri kontrolis daweseba, maT Soris,
sawvavis gamonabolqvze. Aaseve, aucilebelia dedaqalaqSi gamwvanebuli zonebis
dacva. magaliTad, varazis xevSi, sadac am dReebSi vimyofebodi vnaxe, rom
pirdapir mwvane zonaSi mimdinareobs mSenebloba. TiTqmis, yoveldRe davdivar aseT adgilebSi da SemiZlia giTxrad, rom TbilisSi
sistematurad mimdinareobs mwvane zonis ganadgureba.
Aaseve, aucileblad mimaCnia
Tbilisis arqiteqturuli saxis SenarCuleba. Ymsoflios nebismier qveyanaSi, yvela
qalaqs Tavisi arqiteqturuli iersaxe
aqvs, romelsac ufrTxildebian da icaven. CvenTan ki, piriqiTaa.. ukve aSenebuli,
usaxuri Senobebis demontaJis saSualeba dRes, Cven ar gagvaCnia, radgan Zalian
Zviriani proeqtebia da aseTi raRacaebis uflebas, mxolod mdidari qalaqebi
aZleven Tavs da isic, gamonaklisis SaemTxvevSi. Tumca, risi gadarCenac, jer
kidev SeiZleba, sadac ar dawyebula mSenebloba da koreqtirebis etapzea, vfiqrob,
rom Cven iq unda CaverioT..
-pirvel da meore rigSi, es cota populisturi midgomaa. SemiZlia giTxraT konkretulad ras gavakeTeb - sxvadasxva mimarTulebiT. magaliTad, arqiteqturasTan dakavSirebiT, arCevnebis meore dResve unda gamocxaddes moratoriumi
- maRalsarTuliani korpusebis mSeneblobaze, rogorc qalaqis istoriul nawilSi,
aseve qalaqis mwvane zonaSi. Cveni programa roca gamoqveyndeba, iq iqneba
mTavari prioritetebi gamoyofili.
-batono kaxa, ra
aris dRes mTavari problema dedaqalaqisTvis?
- problemebis erT nawilze ukve visaubre, Tumca, aris sakiTxebi,
romelic dauyovnebliv mogvarebas saWiroebs. magaliTad, dRes umniSvnelovanesi
problemaa umuSevroba da amis erTerTi mizezia is, rom qalaqs marTavs monopoliebi
– yvela biznesSi. magaliTisTvis SemiZlia moviyvano erTi faqti, yvelas gvaxsovs, roca TbilisSi iyo 5000 mikro
avtobusis mewarme e. w. ,,marSutkis xazebi’’, igi gaauqmes da gaxsnes erTi
kompania. gasagebia Tu ramdenime
aTasamde adamiani darCa umuSevari. Mmsgavsi darRvevebi xdeba nebismieri
privatizaciis da tenderis dros, radgan msxvil kompaniebs eniWebaT upiratesoba. Cveni amocanaa, aRniSnuli monopoliebi daingres
da mcire mewarmeoba waxalisdes... maSin,
roca licenziebis gacema moxdeba, roca ama Tu im obieqtis tenderi da privatizacia
Catardeba, erTad da msxvil lotebad ki ar iqnas gamotanili, aramed mcire lotebad
daiyos, raTa mcire bizness mieces Tavis gadarCenis saSualeba. Ees Sexeba
bazrobebs da bevr sxva sferosac.Mmeore problemaa – mcire biznesisvis sesxebis gacema.
EaRniSnuli sakiTxi, centralur da adgilobriv biujetSi devs, magram ar sruldeba.
magaliTad, amaswinaT, erTma milionerma qarTvelma, SeRavaTiani agrokrediti aiRo kaxeTSi, meRoreobis fermis
gasakeTeblad. Cveni amocana aris, rom aRniSnuli sesxi miiRos im adamianebma,
romlebic dRevandeli ekonomikuri sistemis mier arian marginalizebuli, zogi Sav
siaSia, zogi umuSevari zis saxlSi, ara aqvT
sakredito istoria da ar gaaCniaT ipoTekuri garantia. ai, aseTi adamianebis
daxmarebaa Cveni mTavari amocana.
-Tqven
akritikebT nacionalebsac da ocnebasac... ratom daimsaxura Tqveni risxva
ocnebam? ra aris misi moRvaweobis mTavari nakli?
-qarTulma ocnebam,
1 oqtombers arCevnebSi, miiRo Zalian
didi mxardaWera konkretuli dapirebebiT da maT mxolod erTi Seasrules: mixeil saakaSvili
aRar aris xelisuflebis pirveli piri. Tumca, arcerTi sxva dapireba arc
socialuri, arc ekonomikuri, arc politikuri da arc samarTlebrivi ar Sesrulebula.
Aamitom, rogorc cnobil filmSi aris: ,,araferi piradi, mxolod saqme”...
-batono kaxa, didi xania
gazeTi ,,Tbilisi’’ aRar gamodis...
migaCniaT Tu ara, rom dedaqalaqs Tavisi gazeTi unda hqondes?
-gazeTi ,,Tbilisi’’
aris dedaqalaqis tradicia da SeuZlebelia, rom Tbiliselebi gulgrili iyvnen am brendis mimarT.Aamitom,
gazeTis aRdgena, komerciuladac SeiZleba iyos xelsayreli - dainteresebuli
garkveuli finansuri jgufisTvis.
,,Tbilisis’’ aRdgenas, namdvilad xels Seuwyobdi, oRond, me vfiqrob, rom
aqac ori mimarTuleba gasaTvaliswinebeli..
mimaCnia, rom ar aris aucilebeli biujetidan mediis dafinanseba, es cudia da amas TiTqmis, arcerTi qveyana ar
akeTebs, magram zogadad, presis ganviTarebisTvis saqarTveloSi araxelsayreli
pirobebia. Mmaxsovs, 90-iani wlebis dasawyisi, roca zogierTi gazeTi 100 000-iani
tiraJiT gamodioda. dRes, samwuxarod, 10 000-iani tiraJiTac ar gamodis arc
erTi yoveldRiuri gazeTi, Tumca, cotaTi
aWarbeben aTiaTas yovelkvireuli gamocemebi. aqedan gamomdinare, me vfiqrob unda
Seiqmnas dabegvris da sxva tipis xelSewyobis saxelmwifo programa, romelic ufro
centralur xelisuflebazea damokidebuli, Tumca, raRac garkveuli resursebi SeiZleba adgilobrivma TviTmarTvelobac moiZios,
raTa zogadad presis ganviTareba moxdes qveyanaSi. mosagvarebelia mTeli rigi
sakiTxebi, magaliTad, qaRaldis gaiafeba,
presis gamavrcelebeli qselis mowesrigeba, raTa ar arsebobdes monopoliuri sistema da a.S. amas garda, gasaTvaliswinebelia
iuridiuli mxarec.. adere aucilebeli iyo, gazeTSi gavrcelebul
informaciaze prokuraturas reagireba moexdina, rac presas met mniSvnelobas aniWebda da dResac ase
unda iyos. erTi sityviT, unda Seiqmnas iseTi pirobebi, rom gazeTi gaxdes
momgebiani an momgebianTan miaxloebuli biznesi. Bbunebrivia, rom mudmivad
biujeti verafers ver gadaarCens... Tumca, konkretulad, Tbilisis biujetidan rac
SeiZleba gakeTdes, igive antimpnopoliuri paketis farglebSi, rom iyos gazeTebis gavrcelebis erTiani sistema, romelic
Tanabrad xelmisawvdomi iqneba yvela perioduli gamocemisTvis. gazeTis gavrcelebis qseli ar iqneba gamoyenebuli,
rogorc monopoliuri saSualeba romelime konkretuli brendis mxardasaWerad.
-da bolos, ras
etyodiT Tqvens amomrCevlebs?
-Tbiliselebs, 15 ivniss aqvT Zalian kargi Sansi, raTa dafiqrdnen da swori
arCevani gaakeTon. rogorc erTi filosofosi
ambobs: ,,adamianis problemebis didi nawili gadawydeba erTi adgilis ubralo
aweviT’’.. amitom, amomrCevlebi roca did pretenzias uyeneben
politikosebs, es ratom ar gaakeTe da is ratom ar moagvareo... maSin, sakuTar Tavsac
wauyenon pretenzia da nu iqnebian indiferentulebi arCevnebis mimarT, mividnen
arCevnebze da gaakeTon iseTi arCevani, romelSic ar Secdebian. faqtia, rom Cveni amomrCevlebi imitom arian cud dReSi, rom
araerTxel Secdnen. Aamitom, amomrCevelmac unda aiRos Tavisi wili
pasuxismgebloba, nuTu, aseTi rTulia garCeva arsebuli kandidatebidan, Tu vin
gaxdeba xval mafiozi da vin darCeba xalxis gverdiT.
mzia gogoZe
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